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Well I'm involved in this job right now. I've had this for five years and since I've owned it the valves have never been adjusted. I started noticing some tapping on acceleration more so when it's cold so I figured I would look into it. I'm a little puzzled though the intake valves are snug at .003 and the exhaust valves are snug at .007 so I'm reluctant to even loose them. Has anybody else experienced this?
 
Well I'm involved in this job right now. I've had this for five years and since I've owned it the valves have never been adjusted. I started noticing some tapping on acceleration more so when it's cold so I figured I would look into it. I'm a little puzzled though the intake valves are snug at .003 and the exhaust valves are snug at .007 so I'm reluctant to even loose them. Has anybody else experienced this?
It isn't what "fits snug".

It is "what goes and what doesn't go". If a 4 doesn't and a 2 does - you know it's a 3. If a 3 goes and a 5 doesn't - it's a 4.

"Snug" is a very relative term and especially in the tight quarters on the C50.
 
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It isn't what "fits snug".

It is "what goes and what doesn't go". If a 4 doesn't and a 2 does - you know it's a 3. If a 3 goes and a 5 doesn't - it's a 4.

"Snug" is a very relative term and especially in the tight quarters on the C50.
I'm not sure, but I think you may have missed the thrust of my post. The point I wanted to make is that the minimum clearance was already a snug fit...and to my knowledge the valves have never been adjusted. I have just over 19,000 miles on it.
 
I'm not sure, but I think you may have missed the thrust of my post. The point I wanted to make is that the minimum clearance was already a snug fit...and to my knowledge the valves have never been adjusted. I have just over 19,000 miles on it.
I'd recommend adjusting since it's not too far from the third adjustment being due. I adjusted first with a feeler gauge and then readjusted with the JPaige method as a sanity check. Being convinced both methods were equal, I adjusted all of the valves using the JPaige method. I've run through 4 or 5 tanks of gas now and mpg has increased from 46 to 48 and the bike is running great.
 
I'm not sure, but I think you may have missed the thrust of my post. The point I wanted to make is that the minimum clearance was already a snug fit...and to my knowledge the valves have never been adjusted. I have just over 19,000 miles on it.
Rocker arm & valve stem clearance actually becomes tighter/less, rather than loose from operation.

The reason for adjusting the valves is not to reduce noise, rather to maintain proper valve stem & rocker clearance.

Lack of proper valve stem/rocker clearance causes valve faces and seats to deteriorate (warpage), due to the lack of heat transfer from valve face to valve seat.
 
Add me to the long list of folks that did it myself because of the confidence inspired by this thread. The key for me was to purchase some inexpensive 8" long feeler gages and bend them with (2) 90 degree steps so they just slip in between the top of the valve and the adjusting screw bottom. Made the job a lot easier. Since I purchased el cheapo gages, I mic'd each one and wrote down it's actual thickness.

All valves had little to no clearance. Bike had 4500 miles on it w/o any work on it before (except oil changes). Will be much easier next time.

Thanks again to all that supplied their tips and tricks, and the OP that took the time to document this PITA job.

And yes, the valve noise did increase, but not a whole lot as I adjusted them closer to the minimum than the maximum clearance.
 
Absolutely fantastic ! It is years later, but you picked my Volusia (2004 Carburated) to do this tutorial on. Rather than a newer injected bike. Pictures are the bomb ! I plan on doing a valve adjustment, and was in process of buying a shop manual. This is SO much better lol.

Don't know if you still hang out on this Forum, but no matter, Thanks for a great well done step by step !
Marty
 
By the way.... For anybody having trouble with the hard-to-access front valve cover bolt:

Loosen the two 12mm bolts on the left side of the front cylinder, slide up the bolts and chrome head cover (can't remove them since the frame is in the way), and you have fairly easy access from the left to that 8mm valve cover bolt. See the picture below to see what I'm trying to describe.

RenHoek

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I finally got up the nerve to do this at 16000 miles. I'm not sure I ever truly heard the angry sewing machine before. I do now!!! I would like to meet the person that put the front left bolt in so tightly in a long dark alley! I was rounding the head off and starting to look at the frustrating task of taking the radiator off when I remembered RenHoek excellent advice. I went to the other side, raised the head cover up and was able to get just enough bite to loosen it. I returned to the other side, and the rest is history. Thank you so much for this post! I couldn't have done it without this sticky!!!

It started right up after buttoning it all back up. I wasn't sure it would. The rear top dead center is several turns after the intake valves move. It seemed long but I did it 10 times and even tested with a dowel. It was enough to make me nervous, so if you come across that, keep this in mind.

Thank you again!
 
I need some help guys. Please forgive me in advance if this has been answered. I truly tried to search for an answer before posting here.

I have a 2013 C90T Boss and I am attempting to do a valve adjustment. The bike is in the garage and I have followed the service manual to get everything removed/prepared. But, I am having some problems. The one I need help with is finding either the "R|T" mark or the "F|T" mark. The only "marks" I see as I turn the crankshaft is two grooves (lines if you like). Both grooves (lines) are at separate locations, and, one is wider than the other. But, that is the only two things I can see. There are no RT or FT markings. So, am I correct in assuming that one of the grooves (lines) I see (when looking inside the access hole) is the "RT" (rear top dead center line for the rear cylinder) and the other is the "FT" (front top dead center for the front cylinder). If so which one is for RT and which one is for FT?

Thanks in advance... if I had any hair I would be pulling it out right now. :)
 
I need some help guys. Please forgive me in advance if this has been answered. I truly tried to search for an answer before posting here.

I have a 2013 C90T Boss and I am attempting to do a valve adjustment. The bike is in the garage and I have followed the service manual to get everything removed/prepared. But, I am having some problems. The one I need help with is finding either the "R|T" mark or the "F|T" mark. The only "marks" I see as I turn the crankshaft is two grooves (lines if you like). Both grooves (lines) are at separate locations, and, one is wider than the other. But, that is the only two things I can see. There are no RT or FT markings. So, am I correct in assuming that one of the grooves (lines) I see (when looking inside the access hole) is the "RT" (rear top dead center line for the rear cylinder) and the other is the "FT" (front top dead center for the front cylinder). If so which one is for RT and which one is for FT?

Thanks in advance... if I had any hair I would be pulling it out right now. :)
Welcome to the VR.


If you truly have a C90, then you have hydraulic valve lifters and NO ADJUSTMENT IS NEEDED.....

See the spec description in the picture.....
 

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As I stated, I have a 2013 Suzuki Boulevard "C90T" BOSS. I also have the "Service Manual" for it and it has the procedure for "adjusting the valves". I guess you'll just have to believe me. Is it possible that because mine is a "Canadian" model, that the specs are different? Or, is the service manual I have a complete fabrication? I find that hard to believe since there are multiple pictures showing many locations that are EXACTLY like the bike I have.
 
Here is a quote from the Service Manual...


Valve Clearance Inspection And Adjustment

Inspect valve Clearance
Every 24000 km (14500 miles, 48 months) thereafter


Valve clearance adjustment must be checked and
adjusted, a) at the time of periodic inspection...


The manual then goes on to show how to do it. I followed all the instruction (using) the diagrams that look EXACTLY like the parts on my bike. What's going on?
 
Here is a quote from the Service Manual...


Valve Clearance Inspection And Adjustment

Inspect valve Clearance
Every 24000 km (14500 miles, 48 months) thereafter


Valve clearance adjustment must be checked and
adjusted, a) at the time of periodic inspection...


The manual then goes on to show how to do it. I followed all the instruction (using) the diagrams that look EXACTLY like the parts on my bike. What's going on?
Sorry, My mistake. We haven't dealt with many of the new c90's here and you are right.

The new c90's apparently use the water cooled M90 engines that do have the valve adjustmet. The older vl1500/c90's are hydraulic "adjusters"


There has to be an "r/t -f/t" mark on that flywheel somewhere.

The other way to find the adjustment location for crankshaft position is to watch the valves.

>>>As you rotate the engine, Notice when the exhaust valve on the cylinder is closing. When the exhaust valve is ALMOST CLOSED, watch for the line on the flywheel to come into the inspection window. Then turn the crankshaft 1 complete rotation (360 deg) back to the same line. That will put you on TDC of the compression stroke.

Watch the exhaust valve for the second cylinder to get it in the correct position in the same way.

The manuals do specify "the compression stroke" but they don't tell you how to determine if you are on the compression stroke and since the mark will line up in two different stroke positions - (also TDC exhaust stroke) you could adjust incorrectly and have way too much clearance when you are done.

I hope this helps you out....
 
Thank goodness. I thought I was loosing my mind!!!

There is definitely no RT or FT markings as I look into the inspection opening... just 2 lines that are located quite a fair bit apart as you rotate the crankshaft... one slightly wider than the other. Also, there are four "cylinder head inspection covers" (2 for each cylinder). When removed, you gain access to the adjusting screw/lock nut/rocker arm/valve stem. The problem is I can't see the valves moving up/down. Can I put something in the spark plug holes (like a straw) and use that to determine valve movement. If so, can you give me a tip on how that would work?
 
Thank goodness. I thought I was loosing my mind!!!

There is definitely no RT or FT markings as I look into the inspection opening... just 2 lines that are located quite a fair bit apart as you rotate the crankshaft... one slightly wider than the other. Also, there are four "cylinder head inspection covers" (2 for each cylinder). When removed, you gain access to the adjusting screw/lock nut/rocker arm/valve stem. The problem is I can't see the valves moving up/down. Can I put something in the spark plug holes (like a straw) and use that to determine valve movement. If so, can you give me a tip on how that would work?
They sure don't make valve adjustment access easy do they.



All the straw will do is confirm piston location and the flywheel mark position.

You will still need to ensure that you are on the compression stroke TDC.

That can also be done by holding your finger over/in the sparkplug hole while rotating the engine. You will feel the pressure build under your finger as the piston comes up in the cylinder on the compression stroke.

The spark plug location might be too deep to reach with a finger though.. so something like a compression tester adapter might work better.... a piece of fuel hose or similar that seals at the plug hole and you can still feel the pressure...

Some even use a small balloon on the end of the "hose" that will fill as the piston comes up....

Once you "feel" the pressure, use the straw to indicate when to expect the TDC line for that cylinder lining up with the inspection hole.
 
OK thanks for your help Gene. I wish I had not started this procedure now. I'm going to put it back together and bring it to a shop just up the road. I don't care how much they charge. Once that's done, I'll be selling it and getting myself a bike with self-adjusting valves... I don't even care what type of bike it is!
 
OK thanks for your help Gene. I wish I had not started this procedure now. I'm going to put it back together and bring it to a shop just up the road. I don't care how much they charge. Once that's done, I'll be selling it and getting myself a bike with self-adjusting valves... I don't even care what type of bike it is!
In What area of the country do you live?
 
About 4800 km from you... Dartmouth, NS. :)

I just took a look at the manual for the 200th time. Although it mentions RT and FT, I "think" I know which "line" is the RT and which is the FT. Here is my logic...

In the manual, it states that after finding RT and completing the valve adjustments on the rear cylinder, rotate the crankshaft counterclockwise 486 degrees (or 1-1/3 turn) and lineup with the FT line and perform the front cylinder valve adjustments.

So, I think that I found the RT line (the "thinner" line of the two). Here is why I think that. I put 2 straws in the rear cylinder spark plug holes. When I move the crank shaft to that line, the 2 straws both move up all the way. And, when I then move the crank shaft 486 degress (1-1/3 turns) the second "thicker" line comes into view. What do you think?
 
Well, I went ahead and adjusted the rear cylinder valves only. They seem to have been "tight" (a 0.003 feeler would barely fit), so I adjusted them to a "tight" 0.005. I put the bike back together and it runs fine.

As a side benefit, I checked the gap of all four spark plugs that I had installed recently. They were all too tight. The bike actually runs much "smoother" (less vibration) now.

Thanks for the help!

Murray
 
WARNING!!!

Please make sure...


If you have a 2013 or later C90 (like me), and you attempt to do a valve check/adjustment, make absolutely sure that you CAREFULLY tighten down the valve adjustment access panels. I took my bike out for a ride this morning, only to have engine oil come pouring out and all over me and my bike. Luckily, there is a motorcycle shop close to home (where I was) and I took it there. Since they have to take everything apart to get at the panel I did not tighten down, I'll pay them to do the valve check while they're at it!

I will stick to oil changes and simple stuff like that from now on! Have a good riding season my friends, and please, Ride Safe!
 
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