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Started this thread to let us blow off some steam regarding the stupid things cage drivers do. Rant here instead of bottling it up and letting it out on some poor soul in the future.

Just Today:
I stop in a parking lot, am getting ready to back my bike into my spot. A guy in a F150 pulls in behind me, so close he not only takes my planned spot but straddles the line in the next available spot closest to me. I wanted to have a short conversation with him.

Next, the lady driving 30mph in a 40 zone. She is in the left lane and haphazardly tapping her brakes. She straddles the left turn lane I am going into and can't make up her mind where she wants to go. Finally, she picks her lane - I take a look and she is 70+ years old.

Then, I am at a stop sign. I plan on turning right and have my blinker on. Next thing I know, this lady squeezes her car between my bike and the curb to turn right. I give her the horn several times. I almost did a Romanian turn with her (There, cars line up 2-4+ abreast to turn into two lanes at the same time without any turning lanes on the road). I took a breath, let her go and then, road past her, with some more horn.

Motorcycles on their own aren't nearly as dangerous as all the other knuckleheads on the road doing stupid things.
 

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Yes, I'm not sure how to explain it, but the driving culture has changed for the worst in the last few years. Completely discourteous drivers that become so isolated in their vehicles it sometimes leads them to use their vehicle as weapons against other drivers, riders, etc.

Cell phones, tablets, and a plethora of other devices that distract drivers from everything but the act of driving. I saw a driver holding a tablet with their hands which were through the steering wheel. The tablet was resting on the steering column while they balanced it all while driving on the freeway.

"They" won't give an inch to be next in line. Speed up when you activate your turn signal so you don't get in front of them in " their " lane. As a culture, we don't have enough time to do the things that are necessary in our lives to get by... We are too hurried, too stressed out to care about strangers safety and well being. I'm pressed to hold back my willingness to do something about it when a driver does some of the most stupid, ignorant crazy things to block me, cut me off, pass me with no space, etc. I have, at times, stopped in front of a tailgater who has pressed me over the edge. Neutral, kickstand down, step off, stand there and motion WTF. Hands apart indicating how close they are to my rear fender! One of these days, it may be the wrong move at the wrong time. I had a plains clothes cop tailgate me like that and actually intimidated me to fear... and I stopped him, wrote his license plate and got his badge number. He begged for forgiveness. I will not put up with it. I own my lane and make drivers know it by riding with confidence, conviction, using all of the lane to make sure drivers know it's all mine.
 

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I wasn't on my bike at the time, but may I rant anyway?

I get off the NYS Thruway, and put on my blinker to turn left. I'm in the lane that permits one to either go right, left or straight ahead, but I want to go left. Next to me on my left is another lane that is only permitted to turn left.

The light turns green, and the little group of cars I'm in proceeds into the 2-lane intersection. Next to me is a young woman in a white Chevy Aveyo, who is also turning left but decides she'd like to swing wide into my lane. I object strenuously by leaning on my horn, since I am already occupying the space she wants. She swerves back into her own lane and slows down. As soon as I've passed her, she pulls in behind me, and proceeds to tail-gate me so hard it's a wonder we didn't hook bumpers.

One hundred yards ahead, the 2-lane highway splits apart, and I take the right lane. Ahead of me are two vehicles; behind me is the kid in the Aveyo, still riding me like a 3D bumper sticker. We all take the turn lane onto a northbound state highway. As I scan ahead, I see the first car in this little parade has its left turn signal on. Ah hah, that car is going to pull into the parking lot across the road.

That car slows down. The car ahead of me slows down. I slow down.

The kid in the Chevy, whose car is still trying to mate with mine, doesn't have room.

As it dawns on her that she's about to hit me, she brakes hard and swerves to the right. But instead of continuing to slow, she instead accelerates, passing me on the shoulder of the road, and then swerves back onto the road, into the not-very-large space between me and the remaining car ahead of me. :shock:

She then proceeds for the next several miles to tail-gate the crap out of the guy ahead of me -- demonstrating her importance and her mad driving skillz by constantly swerving to one side or the other of her lane, trying to scare everyone into going faster -- until the first available passing zone, after which she and her incredibly crummy driving are no longer a hazard to me.

Where, oh WHERE, is a cop when you want one??? :evil: :evil: :evil:

Tell you what, if she'd done that to me while I was on a bike, I'd have run off the road. Stupid little snot.

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A friend of mine who rides told me that for people who tailgate him that he will break check them a few times and if they don't back off he has a solution that works every time. He carries cheap 1/4" nuts in his shirt pocket and very easily like drops them on the road. He says most people just assumes something has fell of the bike and they back off every time. I haven't tried it yet but it's coming, rest assured.
 

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Sorry you had such a bad day. :(

I usually gradually slow down until either they turn off or pass me. One time, I remember being so annoyed with the ignoramus behind me that I pulled off to the right and invited them to pass me with a theatrical flourish of my left arm. Dopes!!!
 

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Locally, we elected a new sheriff and the first thing he did that I noticed was to put up a bunch of white signs along some of our busy local roads saying

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Ah the joy of being on the road 12-16 hours a day, 6 to 7 days a week, dealing with moron after moron after moron after etc. all while trying to get into places before the receiver goes to lunch or locks the doors and punches out for the day. I don't miss it one bit, but then I was on commission not hourly or mile based pay....were the wages better it might not have been so bad.
 

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A friend of mine who rides told me that for people who tailgate him that he will break check them a few times and if they don't back off he has a solution that works every time. He carries cheap 1/4" nuts in his shirt pocket and very easily like drops them on the road. He says most people just assumes something has fell of the bike and they back off every time. I haven't tried it yet but it's coming, rest assured.
I wouldn't recommend your friends method. Brake checking is what got that rocket rider in CA hit by a Range Rover a few months ago. Picking fights with cars while you're on a bike is always a bad idea. You never know how crazy the guy behind you is, and he outweighs you by a few thousand pounds. Don't forget that.





Sorry you had such a bad day. :(

I usually gradually slow down until either they turn off or pass me. One time, I remember being so annoyed with the ignoramus behind me that I pulled off to the right and invited them to pass me with a theatrical flourish of my left arm. Dopes!!!
Your method is best. If you speed up they'll usually just speed up too and you'll just have a tailgater at higher speeds. Just make sure they have room to pass. For instance, if you're on a multilane road, don't hover next to the car in the other lane.

In that instance if recommend speeding up a bit to pass the car next to you then get over in front of them. If you slow down they'll probably change lanes then cut you off when the hole gets big enough.

The key is to recognize that what you are doing is causing a reaction from them. Don't just blow them off as a**holes and get mad yourself, things will escalate and you'll end up hurt, change what you're doing a bit and get yourself out of the situation. Control their actions with yours.

Jedi mind tricks are awesome!

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I wouldn't recommend your friends method. Brake checking is what got that rocket rider in CA hit by a Range Rover a few months ago. Picking fights with cars while you're on a bike is always a bad idea. You never know how crazy the guy behind you is, and he outweighs you by a few thousand pounds. Don't forget that.







Your method is best. If you speed up they'll usually just speed up too and you'll just have a tailgater at higher speeds. Just make sure they have room to pass. For instance, if you're on a multilane road, don't hover next to the car in the other lane.

In that instance if recommend speeding up a bit to pass the car next to you then get over in front of them. If you slow down they'll probably change lanes then cut you off when the hole gets big enough.

The key is to recognize that what you are doing is causing a reaction from them. Don't just blow them off as a**holes and get mad yourself, things will escalate and you'll end up hurt, change what you're doing a bit and get yourself out of the situation. Control their actions with yours.

Jedi mind tricks are awesome!

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I would agree Whiskey. Ive heard of riders dropping ball bearings back behind them and I have always felt that was a sure way to ratchet up a road rage issue very quickly. As you say, 4k pound vehicle vs mid-weight cruiser is a lose, lose propostion. My experience as a daily commuter on the freeway is to slightly slow down and let the driver make their move to go around. Does not always work as planned, but more often does. In my morning commute so far this year at 6:30am, its still dark and I run with my blue led's on. With the white bike, white helmet and blue leds, drivers seem to want to move right to the open lane as if Im a motorcop. I caught several drivers realize as I pass on their left that Im not what they thought and relief is obvious one way or another.
 

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I've always thought the best cure for idiot drivers would be to add a yelp in addition to the horn (like the tone the statey boys use when they flick on their highbeams to get your attention right before the gumballs light up and you're escorted to the shoulder) just one quick yelp would be enough to put most idiots on their bestest roadgoing behavior...especially if you gots them modulated headlight thingies.

As far as tailgaters you're FAR better off carrying rocks as they're much less likely to be able to be used against you. Nuts, bolts and bearings are much easier to find and harder to explain away than a stone "your tire kicked up"....oops, sooooooo sorry. Was so busy babysitting you that I didn't see it soon enough to avoid it.
 

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I agree it's getting worse every year, everyone in such a hurry and with so many distractions, you really have to drive defensively all the time! I try to be noticed by using a headlight modulator and flashing break lights, light bar, etc. I also have the Stebel air horn for when they get too close, I use that all the time. I try not to get angry and upset when about to get cut off or whatever, I just try to allow them to pass or even pull over and let them go by. It's just not worth the grief and I feel much better after I let them get the heck away from me! Even though you'd like to drop ball bearings or something on the road, you really don't want the responsibility for the consequences you may create.
 

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And bikers!

Wait till you see the same stuff with a biker!
H-D blocking a whole space in a lot. Or the squid who squeezed between me an the curb at a stop sign. Or the biker looking at both sides of the street, going slow, tapping his brake starting to turn and then speeding up!

We do it too! Watch a bike jump passed a speeding truck, pull back, before kissing the on coming car. Then he realized that his turn was right there! He grabbed some brake, but thought twice about it. I watch him goose it when the rig's air horn sounded. He turned around further down the street, wisely!
 

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There will always be terrible (and dangerous) drivers and riders alike. The single most disturbing trend is the darn cell phone IMO. Especially in city traffic. The brain is not meant to be able to consciously concentrate on two tasks simultaneously and takes resources away from one task to sustain the other. I always try to make away from people that are obviously distracted, by either slowing down, changing lanes or taking off - if any of that is possible.

Hope everyone will be safe this season, as always!!
 

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I call it the "me first" culture. Nobody wants to wait for their turn anymore, they will step over anyone or anything that gets in their way in order to be first in line. They want everything 10 seconds ago and won't wait for anything. They only care about themselves and couldn't care less about anyone or anything else. You see it while driving, while standing in line at Jack in the Box, or a movie, or at the grocery store. Nobody has any manners or courtesy towards others. Nobody considers how their actions may impact someone else.

I taught my kids early on to be aware of their surroundings and to not invade other people's space and that it's okay to hold the door open or let someone go ahead of them.
 

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All good points. I think we've all been in similar situations. No matter how in the right you are...swallow some pride and let the other guy 'win'. It doesn't matter how right you are when you are dead. That's been a tough lesson for me to learn...but I have a couple of kids at home who I am sure would want to still have me around. Would be nice if we had a handlebar button to summon a cop right then...

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After all of the incidents I mentioned, plus in the parking lot, a woman looking right at me and then turning left in front of me from about 30 feet away, I considered for a moment selling the bike but the big grin quickly came back. I continue to be aggressively defensive in my driving.
 

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After all of the incidents I mentioned, plus in the parking lot, a woman looking right at me and then turning left in front of me from about 30 feet away, I considered for a moment selling the bike but the big grin quickly came back. I continue to be aggressively defensive in my driving.
I call it passive aggressive riding. Never leave your guard down but all the while enjoying the experience. There's not much like it!
 
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