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I don't get it. What about riding with your kids is so taboo in the motorcycling community?

It's almost impossible to find a 'family friendly' event whenever motorcycles are involved. Spend any time exploring pastimes such as boating, camping or RV travel and it's all billed as 'quality family time.' But change the venue to include bikes and it's a different story all together.....

It's bad enough to get the stereotypical reaction from a non-rider... "You can't be serious... You brought your KIDS???" But it's much worse to get the same reaction from fellow riders..... That is something that's pretty hard for me to accept, especially because bikes are so much a part of our lives. We ALL ride. We're on the bikes almost exclusively from March to November and even plan our vacations around riding. It's just a natural thing for us all to gear up and head out....

But despite our shared love of motorcycles, travelling and good times on the road, we often have to skip events, rallies or even individual rides because someone might be offended just by the presence of the kids.... I think that sucks to no end.

There is nothing inherently bad about riding or about motorcycles that we need to keep children away from. It just sucks for all of us that some people think a bike is a license to dress up and be 'bad as I wanna be' and kids aren't welcome....

They have no idea what sort of good times they really are missing......
 

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I think it depends on the rally/ride/event. I've been to plenty that have a ton of kids. We've had kids at just about every B(r)VR since the first one. There are a ton of kids that go to Bikes Blues and BBQ and that's an event with hundreds of thousands of bikes. On the other hand, you have to be over 21 to go to Sparks....and for GOOD reason. I think it's like everything else. There are parties I've been to where it's kid friendly and others where it's just adults. This is exactly what I've seen with motorcycle events as well. Nothing wrong with that IMO. Sometimes you just want to go and be an "adult" without worrying about children being present. Sometimes you want the kids there too. Nothing wrong with balance.
 

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But it is OK for off road bikes to have kids around. Maybe riding cruisers are like pool halls-kids aren't allowed because it is a bad place.
 

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I don't think it's necessarily the dress up to be badass and kids aren't welcome thing as much as it viewed as not a real safe activity in general, and that we shouldn't be subjecting them to those risks. An adult and an adult passenger can make that choice for themselves, but kids don't necessarily understand the risks involved are going to want to do things because mom and dad are doing it.

I don't object to your choice, it's completely yours to make. I wouldn't ride my kids if they were young like yours are, but that's me. I think a lot of people share that opinion and that's where your resistance is coming from.
 

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don't see anything wrong w/riding w/your kids...not crazy about seeing real young ones tho on the back of a ride...just another way to share time w/them and give them exposure to something "more addictive "than text messaging... be nice to see more kids sharing rides w/their folks...also gives them an awareness when its time for them to drive to also be on the lookout for mc's...we have a family here in the northeast that ride together to rallies...T-Bone, BlueButterfly and their sweet daughter PurpleFireFly. Gives me goosebumps everytime I see them riding together...like they say...priceless...especially seeing "mom" BlueButterfly on her own ride.
 

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I know full well that there are times when kids just aren't welcome to come. Some rallies and parties are pretty self explanatory. The problem I keep running into is how do I keep from offending people who think kids just don't belong on any ride, for any reason?

For example, I can select the most innocuous event imaginable: a weekend ride through the country to a BBQ or a burger joint. Even though there's nothing about the ride that should automatically exclude bringing the kids (afterall, who doesn't like a good burger?) there will still be some people ON the ride and say "WTF were you thinking?" I have offended them simply by showing up on a bike with my kids in tow..... It's reactions like that which I do not understand. Most riders are only too happy to have families along. But for some reason, to some people a motorcycle is a sacred place for misbehaving and the presence of kids is strictly verboten.... I think that sucks...
 

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I agree with Skrap. I have experienced several 'Motorcycles Only' resorts', and more rallies than I care to mention where kids weren't welcome and the attitude was just as Skrap described; "You brought your KIDS?" It just didn't feel right to me that people were made to feel out of place because they wanted their children , their familly, with them. Made ME uncomfortable, and the only 'kid' I have is an unofficially adopted one, nine thousand miles away.
It's like I told a good friend who is an integral member of VR, when he encouraged me to attend a rally. "I just don't fit in." That's just my bad luck, I guess.
 

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shame your group feels that way Skrap...wish you'd live closer to us folks here in the NE... our summer rally usually is attending by several families and the kids always seem to have a good time...this years Fall Rally is being held in Hershey...staying at the Chocolatetown Motel... guess that pretty much tells you that Family activity will be available... especially for those w/a sweet tooth.... you should consider joining us w/the family.
http://www.volusiariders.com/viewtopic.php?t=101739&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
 

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i think for the most part with kids around, people feel restricted and feel forced to act properly.... motorcycle rallys arent a place that you usually want to feel restricted or act properly...

<~~~~ has no kids, nor have i been to a rally where ive been disgusted that kids have been there
 

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Honestly Skrap, I'm thinking you are getting more of an "I can't believe he brought the kids" vibe due to the safety issues, not the adult misbehaving aspect.

Personally, I don't think it's a good choice to ride with your kids, but that's me. I'd never say anything to you about it, or whisper behind your back, it's your choice, but I really think that is what you are experiencing, people who think you are not making a smart choice in riding with your kids. You went down hard right? What if your kid had been on the back on that ride?
 

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Skrapiron said:
for some reason, to some people a motorcycle is a sacred place for misbehaving and the presence of kids is strictly verboten.... I think that sucks...
You said it as it is, and I completely agree.
 

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Your gonna find jerks that don't want kids around no matter what activity your doing. I say if your kids make them feel uncomfortable, it's their problem, not yours. They should check thier attitude, not you.
 

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PhL0aTeR said:
i think for the most part with kids around, people feel restricted and feel forced to act properly.... motorcycle rallys arent a place that you usually want to feel restricted or act properly...
agree..like a family gathering where most try to put on their best face...unfortunately there always the kids "favorite uncle" who brings his everyday personality which doesn't necessarily conform to the rules of the day...of course it gives the parents the perfect opportunity to use that day in telling their kids..."Now you don't want to be like your uncle"....
 

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Personally, I don't think it's a good choice to ride with your kids, but that's me. I'd never say anything to you about it, or whisper behind your back, it's your choice, but I really think that is what you are experiencing, people who think you are not making a smart choice in riding with your kids. You went down hard right? What if your kid had been on the back on that ride?
I have thought about that long and hard, Dan. It was something I had to come to grips with a long time ago. Yes, had my kid been on the bike when I went down, they could have been hurt or killed, same as me. But life is full of risks, they could just as easily be killed riding their bike, or on a skate board, or hit their head and drown in a pool. Even just riding in a car, with multiple air bags, seat belts and safety cages, they are not completely safe from all hazards.....

I could literally 'what if' myself to death if I started worrying about all the potential hazards. Instead, they (and I) have decided that riding the bike is an acceptable risk. We choose to be ATGATT riders in order to minimize that risk, but it doesn't minimize the fun.
 

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Honestly Skrap, I'm thinking you are getting more of an "I can't believe he brought the kids" vibe due to the safety issues, not the adult misbehaving aspect.

Personally, I don't think it's a good choice to ride with your kids, but that's me. I'd never say anything to you about it, or whisper behind your back, it's your choice, but I really think that is what you are experiencing, people who think you are not making a smart choice in riding with your kids. You went down hard right? What if your kid had been on the back on that ride?
This agrees with my thoughts on it too. As an adult, you have the experience and judgement to understand the risks you are taking. It's not just about being killed or hurt... it might be about living with a disability for the rest of your life. I want my kids to fully understand the consequences and I don't think they have the capacity to do that. Heck, I know a lot of 20 something that I would say aren't capable of doing that.
That's why I would rather put my kids on dirt bikes. They get all the experience with much less risk (no cars, no super high speeds), and are better prepared from a skills perspective to ride the street if they choose to do it as an adult.
The short answer... I don't know if I could live with myself if one of my kids ended up in a wheelchair, mentally damaged, or dead, due to something I was involved in.
 

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Maybe the reason some people ride is to get away from the kids? :lol:

My own sons are grown, but I have been on several rides where someone has brought one of their kids with them. Doesn't bother me. If you are going to a bike night at a bar or something, then kids don't belong there, but if it's just a ride and maybe lunch or something, no problem.
 

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danimal said:
Personally, I don't think it's a good choice to ride with your kids, but that's me. I'd never say anything to you about it, or whisper behind your back, it's your choice, but I really think that is what you are experiencing, people who think you are not making a smart choice in riding with your kids. You went down hard right? What if your kid had been on the back on that ride?
I have thought about that long and hard, Dan. It was something I had to come to grips with a long time ago. Yes, had my kid been on the bike when I went down, they could have been hurt or killed, same as me. But life is full of risks, they could just as easily be killed riding their bike, or on a skate board, or hit their head and drown in a pool. Even just riding in a car, with multiple air bags, seat belts and safety cages, they are not completely safe from all hazards.....

I could literally 'what if' myself to death if I started worrying about all the potential hazards. Instead, they (and I) have decided that riding the bike is an acceptable risk. We choose to be ATGATT riders in order to minimize that risk, but it doesn't minimize the fun.
I think this is a rationalization. The threat of riding a motorcycle is much greater than any of the things you mentioned. Just calling it like I see it.
 

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shame your group feels that way Skrap...wish you'd live closer to us folks here in the NE... our summer rally usually is attending by several families and the kids always seem to have a good time...this years Fall Rally is being held in Hershey...staying at the Chocolatetown Motel... guess that pretty much tells you that Family activity will be available... especially for those w/a sweet tooth.... you should consider joining us w/the family.
http://www.volusiariders.com/viewtopic.php?t=101739&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
We appreciate the invite to the Fall Rally. The kids have been bugging me to take them to Hershey for some time.... But my daughter's dance school is performing at the Thistle and Pine Highland Days in Indiana, Pa that weekend. We will at least be there in spirit....
 

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Well;

1. Personally, I would never put a child on the back of a motorcycle for more than a trip for an ice cream cone. Really, I wouldn't put anyone on the back of a motorcycle. Motorcycles are dangerous. It is if, not when; which of you wants their child on the back of a bike the next time you crash? It is a choice, but I'll certainly be the first to say "My choice is to keep my child away from motorcycles as much as possible until she decides to start in the dirt and become a proficient rider herself." ANd I actually hope that day doesn't come.

2. I'm going to come out and say it, motorcycling really isn't the best family sport. The road is just plain dangerous; just plain. It is not something I would expose anyone to. I have a lifetime long love of motorcycling, and a lifetime love of my family. In my particular case, they are 100% mutually exclusive and both my family and I feel that is a fantastic choice.

3. Airing a private matter in public is very bad form, especially club business. I had to make a decision today that I really didn't want to make to benefit an entire group. I'm very sorry someone thought making that a public issue was the right thing to do.

4. Sometimes, the greatest majority of the people on a group ride come to the "leader" of the group and ask "hey, no more kids, please." I must respect their wishes, therefore I have made SAMM rides in the future no kids events. I am respecting the wishes of my group, even though I am in some conflict with the decision. At the end of the day, it is what is best for our group.
 

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