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I'd be all for lane-splitting, but at a speed that is reasonable and safe. I'd be afraid of some car either changing lanes or opening their door on me.

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unfortunately CA is the only place that its truly legal. Meaning they are the only state that specifically says its ok for m/c to occupy the same lane as a car to relieve congestion in traffic. if its not specifically illegal in other states statutes, they just chalk it up as reckless driving and slap you with a hefty fine/points.
 

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Well Yes,
...points well taken.

The article has some interesting words about speed and safety as written from riders and people who study statistics.

The Bay area is a traffic nightmare...if I lived and commuted down that way I'd probably do or die in order to commute on a bike.
 

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Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is a good idea. I won't do it under any circumstances.

Well, I would if it was the only way out of a jam. But not just for convenience, or as a way to pull off a high speed pass.
 

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Bowtie said:
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is a good idea. I won't do it under any circumstances.

Well, I would if it was the only way out of a jam. But not just for convenience, or as a way to pull off a high speed pass.
Next time you are in LA trying to make to long beach during any daytime hour, ill hold you to that.

Whenever the topic of splitting lanes comes up, i am readily reminded of the time i was in Denver, CO coming back from tech school and sturgis several years ago. Mid denver metro area and im in my lane "walking" my bike because traffic is going so slow and my bike is overheating. To the right of me there is an older (mid to late 70's) ford pickup with a country guy in it who feels the need to open up his door and deposit his mouthful of red man by-product onto the freeway. After about 30 min af watching him do this like clockwork, i hear this buzzing sound come up from behind and as it gets closer and closer (cant see it in my mirrors, but i hear it) im wondering what it is.... sounds like a sport bike to me. Just about the time that i think im going to see it come into my peripheral vision, my gaze averts to the country boy who has a mouthful. He opens his door, and before he can spit, is hit by the speeding biker who happened to be chasing the white line. Both of them were killed instantly, from what i could tell and i always said id never do this.

I was out in california for work a couple years ago and had rented a harley for the weekend (it was all they had left) and after cruising up and down the PCH i decided id hit long beach and take a detour further inland which would have put me on the freeway to get down to long beach. After being in this traffic for about 30 min and not getting very far i quickly became accustomed to what every other rider was doing and cut my travel time probably in a 5th of what it would have taken me if i hadnt started lane splitting. I was in a big ass electra glide and cars were very forgiving as i gingerly made my way down the line through the traffic. most, if not all, would see my coming, and inch to the right or left to make way for me, i was very surprised. in every other state ive lived in, ive always thought if the law was ever passed, the cagers would need some SERIOUS schooling on the new law because ive tried to do it in a few different states, and i get a lot of people honking, or trying to pull into my way and hugging that line so i CANT pass them. in the states that ive been in, ive heard it come up in legislation, but i cant help but think to myself if it was a rider who helped kill it, probably had done so because of all the stuff that would come along with it like ad campaigns for cagers and whatnot, or if it was a non rider might have killed it because he might have been one of the ones that hugged the lane and thought that i didnt deserve to make my way safely through traffic that way.
 

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I do it. You would think a motorist would think twice about opening his door in traffic. They very well could get killed and it wouldn't be pretty for either. After living in Dallas and Austin Texas. I have no qualms about doing it. It is a risk but a calculated one that does have a propencity to get the adrenalin going.

Filtering is common in Europe and other countries. We just don't have as many cycle riders yet in this country for people to take it seriously. When traffic is congested it is an option that has helped. If their is an accident ahead it can also get you off the freeway and on sidestreets quicker.
 

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Bowtie said:
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is a good idea. I won't do it under any circumstances.

Well, I would if it was the only way out of a jam. But not just for convenience, or as a way to pull off a high speed pass.
PhL0aTeR said:
Next time you are in LA trying to make to long beach during any daytime hour, ill hold you to that.
You could say the same thing for simply driving on L.A. area freeways. Legal, but not a good idea. It's as safe or dangerous as you make it. Yes, there are bad drivers and riders trying to make their way on the roads at the same time, both performing different degrees of stupidity at some point. I see it every day during my commute. I can personally attest to the fact that I don't ride/lane split as fast as some, but do it faster than others. I do know that making the same commute in a car can take up to twice as long (for me), especially going home. Surprisingly, there are definitely a fair amount of cars that do move over when bikes are approaching, and I try to make it a point to show my appreciation for it (you'd be surprised how many bikes don't).

On a side note I wonder if driver's skills, in particular noticing bikes, might improve if the MSF class became part of driver's training for everyone, whether they choose to ride or not? They do mention in the class that your driving skills might sharpen when you're in a car since you're more accustomed to paying attention to hazards as a general practice while riding. I know I wasn't a horrible driver before (nor was I expertly skilled), but I definitely feel that my skills while behind the wheel have improved as well.
 

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PhL0aTeR said:
Bowtie said:
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is a good idea. I won't do it under any circumstances.

Well, I would if it was the only way out of a jam. But not just for convenience, or as a way to pull off a high speed pass.
Next time you are in LA trying to make to long beach during any daytime hour, ill hold you to that.

Whenever the topic of splitting lanes comes up, i am readily reminded of the time i was in Denver, CO coming back from tech school and sturgis several years ago. Mid denver metro area and im in my lane "walking" my bike because traffic is going so slow and my bike is overheating. To the right of me there is an older (mid to late 70's) ford pickup with a country guy in it who feels the need to open up his door and deposit his mouthful of red man by-product onto the freeway. After about 30 min af watching him do this like clockwork, i hear this buzzing sound come up from behind and as it gets closer and closer (cant see it in my mirrors, but i hear it) im wondering what it is.... sounds like a sport bike to me. Just about the time that i think im going to see it come into my peripheral vision, my gaze averts to the country boy who has a mouthful. He opens his door, and before he can spit, is hit by the speeding biker who happened to be chasing the white line. Both of them were killed instantly, from what i could tell and i always said id never do this.

I was out in california for work a couple years ago and had rented a harley for the weekend (it was all they had left) and after cruising up and down the PCH i decided id hit long beach and take a detour further inland which would have put me on the freeway to get down to long beach. After being in this traffic for about 30 min and not getting very far i quickly became accustomed to what every other rider was doing and cut my travel time probably in a 5th of what it would have taken me if i hadnt started lane splitting. I was in a big a** electra glide and cars were very forgiving as i gingerly made my way down the line through the traffic. most, if not all, would see my coming, and inch to the right or left to make way for me, i was very surprised. in every other state ive lived in, ive always thought if the law was ever passed, the cagers would need some SERIOUS schooling on the new law because ive tried to do it in a few different states, and i get a lot of people honking, or trying to pull into my way and hugging that line so i CANT pass them. in the states that ive been in, ive heard it come up in legislation, but i cant help but think to myself if it was a rider who helped kill it, probably had done so because of all the stuff that would come along with it like ad campaigns for cagers and whatnot, or if it was a non rider might have killed it because he might have been one of the ones that hugged the lane and thought that i didnt deserve to make my way safely through traffic that way.
I've been to LA, and would never go back! :lol:

I still wouldn't do it.

If the bike is overheating, then yeah, pull over and try the shoulder, or do something. But, even that can get ya in trouble in these parts. A bud of mine had his bike in that very spot, and was rolling down the shoulder. Well, naturally, a Cop was there. The Cop was pretty cool about it, and escorted him to the next exit. Of course, he actually sat there with him till the bike cooled, and then gave him the option of getting back on the freeway, back in the traffic!

He decided the road he was on would do for a while, and took the long way home.

It just doesn't seem safe to me, as your first example points out. I might try to work my way through traffic to cool the bike, but I would''t split lanes just to try and make time.

But then, my favorite riding is just these country roads around here. Even going to Gettysburg a couple of weeks ago, a 130 mile or so ride, we took as many of the smaller roads as we could.

I don't ride to save time or gas, I ride for fun. So for th most part, the major roads are out for me!

My only longer ride that was all highway was riding to OBX. Now that was the only option for that trip. Doing 340 miles or so has to be done on the slab!
 

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Bowtie said:
I've been to LA, and would never go back! :lol: ... But then, my favorite riding is just these country roads around here.
Other than the weather, I'm itchin' to get out of L.A. myself and not come back. With the smaller/country roads here, no such luck for my ride. I do wish there were some the ways I have to go to and from work.
 

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If you want to make it home from San Diego to Orange County on any given weekend during summer on I-5 and you are riding a bike, you can pretty much bank on about 20+ miles of lane splitting. Talk about having your head on a swivel...
 

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When I lived in the SF Bay Area, we did split lanes. Our excuse was that we have air cooled motorcycles and we cannot sit in traffic without major, severe engine damage. I don't know how true it is but, a CHP once told me that it is NOT technically allowed in the laws but there is nothing that forbids lane splitting. So he said if I am willing to possibly whack a big rear view mirror, some a hole opening his door, having cig butts or coffee on me, he said they will not stop a rider.
 

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LkwdC50B said:
Bowtie said:
I've been to LA, and would never go back! :lol: ... But then, my favorite riding is just these country roads around here.
Other than the weather, I'm itchin' to get out of L.A. myself and not come back. With the smaller/country roads here, no such luck for my ride. I do wish there were some the ways I have to go to and from work.
I did like Southern CA, but not LA itself. I loved San Diego. Much claener and less dirt, or at least it seemed that way to me!

I do wish I'd have had a bike when I was out there. There were some places that I think a bike would have been nice to have ridden!
 

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I split lanes all the time up here in NorCal.

I rather take the "proactive" approach to safe riding. Just a personal preference. I believe the human eye has an easier time seeing moving object vs a stationary object.

I prefer to be a "moving" target vs a "stationary" target.

Just my $0.02.

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^ ^ ^ ^

Understood comment... but...

It's all about riding within your skill level.

I split lanes in heavy-moderate traffic all the time with or without semi-tractor trailers. I only split when I feel my (fat a$$) bagger can fit as well as if it's a "safe" option giving myself an out. I always "time" my splitting with the movement of the traffic. I anticipate gaps between vehicles (left-right) and anticipate my options if those gaps close. It's all about keeping your head on a swivel, skill level, anticipation, proactive riding, etc.

Again, keeping within one's skill and comfort level.

Personally... I am very comfortable splitting lanes in heavy to moderate traffic that is moving 5mph-45mph on the freeway. Traffic at a standstill on the freeway (not at a traffic light) poses a different (potentially more unsafe) condition where cagers sometimes just "jump" from lane to lane. Once traffic moves over 45mph, I tend to merge in with the traffic at speed.

In town, I'll split lanes to get to the front at a traffic light. Again, putting myself out front and visible. I (personally) believe it's proactive riding (for me).

Thanks for letting me share... just my $0.02.

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I have been riding for about 2 years. I originally said that I would never split traffic. I work in Orange County and commute from Riverside. The drive home would normally take about 1.5 hours on a GOOD day.

When the traffic is nearly stopped, I started splitting very slowly. My one time homeward commute of 1.5 hours is now 40 minutes at most! I am now a happier person and spend much more time with my family!

I know that it may be more dangerous. I also spend less time on the freeway. Is that a benefit? I think so. I also use the toll lane which gives M/C riders a break on the price which is favorable to the budget these days.

I am very thankful for the generous Calfornia laws regarding lane splitting. Sure there are idiots out there. Ya just gotta do your best.

Thanks for listening to my two cents worth.

Ride Safe
 

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Where in O.C. do you work? I'm right across the street from the Amphitheatre in Irvine.
Jester389 said:
I have been riding for about 2 years. I originally said that I would never split traffic. I work in Orange County and commute from Riverside. The drive home would normally take about 1.5 hours on a GOOD day.

When the traffic is nearly stopped, I started splitting very slowly. My one time homeward commute of 1.5 hours is now 40 minutes at most! I am now a happier person and spend much more time with my family!

I know that it may be more dangerous. I also spend less time on the freeway. Is that a benefit? I think so. I also use the toll lane which gives M/C riders a break on the price which is favorable to the budget these days.

I am very thankful for the generous Calfornia laws regarding lane splitting. Sure there are idiots out there. Ya just gotta do your best.

Thanks for listening to my two cents worth.

Ride Safe
 
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