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How to guide: VS1400 drive on a VL800/C50

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I’m putting this information together because it’s nice to have all the information you need is a single place without having to resort to a search engine.

These instructions will explain the basic tools, items and modifications necessary to install a VS1400 drive assembly on a VL800/C50 using a VL800/C50 driveshaft and spacer.

What’s the purpose of this modification?
To achieve a higher/sustainable top speed
To reduce engine vibration from high RPMs while traveling 70+ MPH
To increase fuel efficiency (arguably)

Tools Needed:
Metric box wrench set (up to 22mm)
Metric socket set
*Tork wrench
Metric allen wrench set
Snap ring wrench (straight/inner)
Needle nose pliers
*Rubber or plastic mallet
Several round rat tail files (or a 9/16” drill bit)
*Corded drill
Small parts brush
Bike lift or equivalent

Items Needed:
VS1400 final drive assembly (SKU: 27300-38845)
VS1400 spring for driveshaft (SKU: 09440-30008 )
C50/VL800 drive shaft (SKU: 27151-41F00)
C50 or VS1400 axel spacer (SKU: 64772-34201 or SKU: 09180-17088 )
VS1400 oil seal (SKU: 09283-30026)
VS1400 circlip (SKU: 09381-40003)
*Cotter pin (SKU: 04111-40308 )
Honda Molly 60 paste (or equivalent)
75W-90 gear oil

* Indicates optional

While the VS1400 drive assembly uses the same diameter driveshaft as the VL800/C50, the C50 driveshaft and spacer will need modifications to work properly with the VS1400 drive assembly. Otherwise, the driveshaft may put undue stress on the bearings.

As you can see, the VL800/C50 driveshaft is much larger than the VS1400 driveshaft:
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This is a VL800/C50 driveshaft after it has been machined; modifications from the original driveshaft are noted in red:
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(Admin Note - In the above picture the shoulder only gets pushed back 3/16" of an inch, not 3/8", tool used for undercut was 3/8" wide)

The shoulder, measured from the drive end should be 15-3/4" after the shoulder is pushed back as in the picture below.

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The original VL800/C50 spacer can be shortened by 2mm, or it can replace it with another spacer that’s 2 7/8” in length. Make sure the replacement spacer is hardened steel. Here’s a stock VS1400 spacer next to a replacement spacer:
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A replacement oil seal and circlip should be purchased from a Suzuki dealer. While the original circlip may be in good condition, it’s better to have a spare on hand incase the original breaks during assembly.
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Pick up some Honda Molly 60 grease (or equivalent) from a local Honda dealer. Make sure the grease contains at least 44% molly (as recommended by Suzuki). Standard automotive molly grease should not be used as it does not offer adequate protection. The molly grease will be applied using a small parts brush to the splines on the driveshaft and drive assembly. I also applied it to the axel shaft and spacers.
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Find a well lit/flat surface to work on; this modification can take several hours to complete so plan for enough time (it took me aproximately 2 hours). Secure the bike to the stand and proceed to remove the drive assembly using the Rusks’ “Checking Driveshaft Lubrication” guide found on the VR site.

It’s a good idea to put something underneath the front tire to help support the bike. When you remove the drive assembly and wheel, the bike becomes front heavy and may try tipping over.
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Using a file (or 9/16” drill bit if preferred), enlarge the mounting holes for the VS1400 drive assembly. Take your time and make sure everything is lined up properly by test fitting the drive assembly multiple times. Forcing the drive assembly onto the frame will damage the threads on drive assembly. I used a rat tail file with a high speed drill to elongate the holes.
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Attach the modified driveshaft to the VS1400 drive assembly using the circlip. Slide the seal onto the driveshaft and push it down until it is flush with the drive assembly. The seal keeps the molly grease in and contaminants out.
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Slide the driveshaft into the u-joint and secure the drive assembly to the frame. If the shaft will not go back in all the way, try rotating it. If that doesn’t work, pull the drive assembly back out and try using a long broom handle to realign the u-joint that’s inside the bike (you may need to use a flashlight to see if the u-joint is straight). It took me a couple tries to get it to align properly.
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Now is a good time to check your rear brakes for wear and/or clean them.
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Insert the modified (or new) spacer into the VS1400 drive assembly. Assemble the wheel and brakes in the reverse order of the Rusks’ guide mentioned above. If possible, use a tork wrench and tighten everything up to specification (foot pounds can be found in a service manual). I didn’t have a tork wrench on hand, so I used the ole’ GNT (good n’ tight) scale. Once everything is back together, put the bike in neutral and gently spin the rear wheel. It will spin smoothly if everything is aligned properly. Fill the drive assembly with gear oil and you are done!
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Take it easy on the drive for a little while. If something isn’t aligned properly, it will likely present itself within the first ~100 miles. Just like new brakes, gears take a little time to “mesh” together. Also, park the bike in an area where it can be monitored for minor oil leaks.

Edit: 2/19/23 - Whiskey - Changed 1/2" bit to 9/16". If it's wrong, Captain told me to do it. 🤷‍♂️
 
#27 ·
If you are unhappy with the C90 drive, pick up a C50 drive and shaft off of ebay for ~$100.00 and sell your C90 drive on the forums for ~$400.00. Seems like a no brainer to me...
There are a few aspects of the C50 drive I miss. I miss the quick takeoffs. I miss being able to accelerate up a hill in 5th. I miss the look of the fake swing arm.
Time will tell if I decide to keep the drive or not. I have a lengthly trip planned this summer and figured the drive would benefit me for long distance/high speed travel.
 
#28 ·
OregonLAN said:
If you are unhappy with the C90 drive, pick up a C50 drive and shaft off of ebay for ~$100.00 and sell your C90 drive on the forums for ~$400.00. Seems like a no brainer to me...
There are a few aspects of the C50 drive I miss. I miss the quick takeoffs. I miss being able to accelerate up a hill in 5th. I miss the look of the fake swing arm.
Time will tell if I decide to keep the drive or not. I have a lengthly trip planned this summer and figured the drive would benefit me for long distance/high speed travel.
Someone took a dremel to the inside of that swingarm and was able to remove enough material to make it fit.
 
#29 ·
I assume that a VS1400 final drive assembly from a 1997 Intruder would work for a DJ conversion on my M50? I may have found one for sale but I want to make sure it would work for me before spending the $.

By the way, AWESOME writeup!

edit: nevermind, I REALLY don't need to spend the money on it right now. I was not gonna post this so I didn't have any competition on ebay, but here you go everyone: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e.../ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170329090378&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT&viewitem=
 
#30 ·
The spacer I have is not the same outer diameter all the way across. One end is about an inch and the other end is about 7/8".
Which side should I take the 2mm from? Or does it matter?

Thanks!
 
#36 ·
Final Drive Mod

I have an 03 Volusia. For clarification, what are my options. There is a guy locally that used a Hamlings drive. I see the C-90 and the VS1400 and this Hamling. Oh and the "DJ" drive. I'm trying to get a handle on where I can get the parts and what I should expect to have in it by the time I'm thru.
 
#37 ·
Re: Final Drive Mod

hiskid said:
I have an 03 Volusia. For clarification, what are my options. There is a guy locally that used a Hamlings drive. I see the C-90 and the VS1400 and this Hamling. Oh and the "DJ" drive. I'm trying to get a handle on where I can get the parts and what I should expect to have in it by the time I'm thru.

The hamling, and dj drive are the entities that modify the drives...
As I understand the c90 drives are realy hard to come by lately... That is why the 1400 is used now... there is a how to on this in a sticky at the top of motors transmissions and drives all about this.....
 
#38 ·
I have a question?

Has any failures been reported due to the shaft splines wearing/breaking? The reason why I am asking is since there is machining being done to the shaft there is going to be some stressed introduced to it from that process. It would seem wise to temper the shaft to reduce the stresses added from the maching process.
 
#39 ·
None on drives made by Dan Hills (DJ)
But he doesn't machine the spline.
He cuts and shortens and re-welds and trues up the drive better than original.

None so far reported w/ the 1400 drives

Also I believe the 1400 drives someone said gives only a 10% change as to the C90's 14%.
 
#40 ·
kgallich said:
I have a question?

Has any failures been reported due to the shaft splines wearing/breaking? The reason why I am asking is since there is machining being done to the shaft there is going to be some stressed introduced to it from that process. It would seem wise to temper the shaft to reduce the stresses added from the maching process.
The only failures reported have been with unmodified oem driveshafts. The two fellas mentioned here know what they're do'n. Hillis described his process once and it sounded like some sort of heat treating is done.

YZ, who is a machinest by trade, uses a process to buildup up the shoulder area that he turns back, a heating/tempering process as well.
 
#44 ·
foxk56 said:
Boxwrench said:
Also I believe the 1400 drives someone said gives only a 10% change as to the C90's 14%.
Is that really true??
1400's/1500's and C90's all have the same gear ratio. I did hear that the 109 gearing is a bit lower though, I think that is where the 10%/14% difference was.
 
#98 ·
1400's/1500's and C90's all have the same gear ratio. I did hear that the 109 gearing is a bit lower though, I think that is where the 10%/14% difference was.
Since I am about to put the 1500 in is like to know more about this but simple Google searches come up empty. Can anyone point me in a good direction? Is almost rather the 1500 be a 14% step.
 
#45 ·
What is mod is done to the drive unit itself? I have acess to a machine shop, if I get ahold of vs1400 drive I need to know what is done to the drive unit, I know about the shaft.
 
#46 ·
cali-c50 said:
What is mod is done to the drive unit itself? I have acess to a machine shop, if I get ahold of vs1400 drive I need to know what is done to the drive unit, I know about the shaft.
Nothing needs to be done to the VS1400 drive itself; just the driveshaft. Any modifications to the drive are purely asthetic.
 
#47 ·
Does anybody have a link or pictures to show about how the drive is shaved down to accept the fake swingarm again? I know I've seen it before but I can't find it now.
 
#48 ·
foxk56 said:
Does anybody have a link or pictures to show about how the drive is shaved down to accept the fake swingarm again? I know I've seen it before but I can't find it now.
Dan Hills is the only one I know who does it.
 
#51 ·
Boxwrench said:
foxk56 said:
Does anybody have a link or pictures to show about how the drive is shaved down to accept the fake swingarm again? I know I've seen it before but I can't find it now.
Dan Hills is the only one I know who does it.
In addition to modifying C50 driveshafts (milling the shoulder back, not cut and weld), yfz450 has a program for his CNC machine that removes just enough material to allow installation of the left side swingarm.