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Having witnessed both insidious devices drive the VOL into fairly certain ruination, I was curious as to the official stance of this website on these issues. Will a poster be notified if he/she is overstepping the line? And if so, who makes that call? Many folks are saying that this new website is similar to a restaurant -offering alternative fare from the other site. Is it safe then to assume that more leeway will be permitted the poster -particularly on sticky, controversial, issues?
I certainly hope so, and too remain hopeful that this site won't break down into self-serving clique's the way that the VOL did. Differences in opinion, and the acceptance of same, are the lifeline of sites such as these, in fact they're the lifeblood of a democratic society. Removing people from the roster simply because they're controversial, or in disaggreeance with your stance, ensures for the membership a watered down experience, and for the site an early demise.
 

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I must not have been paying attention, What the heck happened at VOL?
 

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Hey Bill, I hope they keep you around this time..... You seem like you've got some interesting information and point of view.... I guess we'll see. :)
 

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billy barty said:
Having witnessed both insidious devices drive the VOL into fairly certain ruination, I was curious as to the official stance of this website on these issues. Will a poster be notified if he/she is overstepping the line? And if so, who makes that call? Many folks are saying that this new website is similar to a restaurant -offering alternative fare from the other site. Is it safe then to assume that more leeway will be permitted the poster -particularly on sticky, controversial, issues?
I certainly hope so, and too remain hopeful that this site won't break down into self-serving clique's the way that the VOL did. Differences in opinion, and the acceptance of same, are the lifeline of sites such as these, in fact they're the lifeblood of a democratic society. Removing people from the roster simply because they're controversial, or in disaggreeance with your stance, ensures for the membership a watered down experience, and for the site an early demise.
Jeff? Is that you? :wink:
 

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The problem I have with VOL is the seemingly inherent need to control what people say and do there. I find this oppresive and distasteful. I can understand the need for decency and order but how reciculous is deleting and moving posts just to satisfy the whims of certain individuals? And members wonder why VOL has gained its reputation?

Some of us got smacked for "abusing" a certain category last week . I apparently ruffled a few feathers when I posted a strong reply to the thread telling us we were bad. It appears that I have been banned as now I can't log on to VOL.

Do we not live in free society? Are we not given the right to free speech in this free society? Is VOL not a part of this free society? How do these actions benefit the VOL community, as a part of this free society, as a whole? Apparently VOL is not a part of this free society as the actions of some there reek of repression and censorship.

Don't get me wrong, I like the people in VOL. Those in charge just need to relax a little, quit being so totalitarian and let the site evolve into what it should be. If I could log on I would say the same thing there.

If VOL wants to become an exclusive "chosen members only" message board then so be it. But, the owners need to specify that in the homepage.

Having said that, you will not here of VOL from me again. Far be it for me to spread discord and inequity among a great group of people. We all ride Volusias. How bad can we be?
 

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Hank,
I couldn't agree more. While it is true that there are a good many decent folks on VOL- by and large the site is overseen by a small, controlling nucleus - with sensitivities so pronounced, and a threshold for feeling slighted so small, as to boggle the imagination. They go about censoring unwanted people and opinions, and all the while expouse hollow, self-serving rhetoric about "family" and "communuty." Sure, that may be the way it feels to them, after all, they're calling the shots, sitting in the driver's seat -so to speak -but what of "family" members like yourself? People who are shut down and cast aside based on their whims? Are you not entitled to voice your opinion? Of course you are -and you shall. Free speech always finds a way here in the good ole U.S.A. -and it'll take a lot more than a few of our senior friends (we all know who they are) to shut EVERYONE down. Though, I don't for an instant believe these warped old (and some young) men and women will stop trying. They really don't have anything better to do with their lives. Pity them and move on...
 

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Hank said: "Do we not live in free society? Are we not given the right to free speech in this free society? Is VOL not a part of this free society? How do these actions benefit the VOL community, as a part of this free society, as a whole? Apparently VOL is not a part of this free society as the actions of some there reek of repression and censorship. "

Hank--we do not live in a free society where we have free speech. There are always limits. Try hollering "FIRE" in a movie theatre just to exercise your right to free speech and see what happens. A society that is totally "free" is a society of total anarchy and chaos. (In a totally free society if I want anything I will take it.)

Soooo..every society has rules and every internet community has rules. If you do not abide by them UR "punished" -- kicked out.

This is in no way a comment about you and VOL. I am totally ignorant of any of your history with them. I am not defending them. In fact I like to read your posts. I am just responding in a general way to the comment I have quoted above.

Hope you find what yuo are looking for on this board---I like it!
 

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burpos said:
...Hank--we do not live in a free society where we have free speech. There are always limits. Try hollering "FIRE" in a movie theatre just to exercise your right to free speech and see what happens. A society that is totally "free" is a society of total anarchy and chaos. (In a totally free society if I want anything I will take it.)

Soooo..every society has rules and every internet community has rules. If you do not abide by them UR "punished" -- kicked out.

Burpos, my friend, please do not confuse "enciting panick", which is an offense punishible by law, with the freedom given us by the constitution of this great country to speak freely what is on our mind when we choose and how we choose. If a website (or society in general) wishes to impose restrictions then that is its option and those restrictions need to be clearly and succinctly communicated. Suppose I hired you to work for my company. You come to work one day, lets say on a tuesday, wearing a red shirt. I say you can't wear a red shirt on tuesday. You ask why not and I tell you it's because I don't like seeing red shirts on tuesday. I take the red shirt and give you a brown one to wear. The next day you come to work wearing a blue shirt. I tell you that blue shirt is not allowed. Again you ask why and I tell you it's because I don't like seing blue shirts on wednesday. I take the blue shirt and give you a red one to wear. How would this make you feel? Were you aware of the "rules" before I hired you? No but now you are expected to abide by these rules. These are acts of oppression.

This oppression is prohibiting your freedom to wear whatever you like. The same principal applies to the freedom of speech and I have a problem with any entity trying to control that, or any freedom.

If you came to work for me I would never do that to you or anyone else. I have better respect for individual freedom than that. But if there was a dress code in my company it would be clearly and succinctly communicated to everyone before being hired. They would be expected to abide by it no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There would be no surprises, no unrealistic expectations, no controlling gestures concerning what you wear. See what I mean by this?

It is our freedoms and diversity that makes us unique and separate of any other nation on earth. Too many of my friends and family have died to protect these freedoms and I'l be damned if I'm gonna let ANYONE take them from me!


<edited for spelling>
 

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Aren't you speaking of things owned by someone else. If the owner of that company wants you to wear a red shirt, you have the choice to wear the red shirt or work somewhere else. Many companies have dress codes because that is what the owner wants. Many people have tried to push the envelope and were called on it. I know that no one "owns" the web but people do own their web sites. I do realize and enjoy hearing someones ideas or opinions, but the bottom line is if the person that owns that website feels that a person is being disrespectful or obscene or hateful or is just plain abusive, then I feel he or she has the right to boot them off. I have seen many, many boards that were totally un-structured and those draw the kind of people that get a real charge out of just starting and maintaining nothing but senseless arguments and name calling ending up basically out of control. I truly enjoy the atmosphere that is on the VOL board and I hope it is the same here. The IA is ok, but I get tired of some of the b.s. that goes on there. If a person wants to express their opinions here, then I say go for it. If a person just wants to start arguments, and try to "stir the pot" then I will just go somewhere else. Because I have that choice as well. There are a lot of people on VOL that, in my opinion, want an enjoyable board to go to. Having an "uncensored" free-for-all, do what ever you want environment will drive them away. That means someone will have to decide what is acceptable and what is un-acceptable. Who's job is that? The owner's. Chuck
 

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Good posting Hank ! :wink:
We should , and I hope we will , have a different place here .
I too got , or felt , I got spanked for "miss placing" a post over there , BUT , I was wrong and I admit it . :oops:
To get "canned" for it is way beyond ...if you know what I mean .
I still go to VOL , it has been "home" for a long time , and I feel a strong bond to it .
On the other hand , so far I really like this VR a whole lot , and I'm sure we can all have our "heated" discussions without offending to many people.
It's what you get when you put this many people together in one place ...sh*t happens .
I think we can all have our say , if we keep it civil , don't you ?
 

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Chuck,
I believe there's a big difference between an unstructured "free for all" and a lively debate. The powers that be, on one of those other sites, however, either lack the intellectual depth necessary to distinguish between the two, or worse, have apointed themselves judge and jury in arbitrarily rendering a verdict, based on their biases, pre-conceptions, and prejudices. Now I grant you, these sites are privately owned, and as such, can, and will, be administered in a like fashion, but WE are the membership, after all, the very entity that makes their site possible. Just let enough members sense that a website is heavy handed and unfair in matters of censorship, and it won't be too long till the death knell of that site is sounded. It may take some time, but the average Joe isn't as stupid as many like to think.

Frankly, I could never understand these fuddie-duddies who get their shorts all in a snit over such insignificant minutae. I'm guessing they were the children who always had to "have their way." Control freaks, pure and simple. But hopefully, things will be different for all of us here.
 

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Bluto said:
Good posting Hank ! :wink:
We should , and I hope we will , have a different place here...
...On the other hand , so far I really like this VR a whole lot , and I'm sure we can all have our "heated" discussions without offending to many people.
It's what you get when you put this many people together in one place ...sh*t happens .
I think we can all have our say , if we keep it civil , don't you ?
Thanx Bluto! That's what it's all about. Different people, different views, each one able to express their views and opinions without fear of reprimand or reprisal or fear of crushing a sensitive ego. I am not advocating chaos or anarchy as some have mentioned but the true, honest expression of thoughts and ideals -the real part of humanity.

Different people, different views, one bike. And what a bike it is. C'nest pas?
 

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Your wife has a fat a$$! Is it within my rights of free speech? Sure. Would it piss you off? Probably. Should I say it? Definitely not, whether that is the way I feel or not. If your main objective for this site is to be able to say whatever you want whenever you want, it is a loss. There are lots of more productive things to be had from this site than that. I know nothing of anyones situation with VOL, but personally I never thought it was a bad or opressive place to hang out. And if I did, I wouldn't be complaining because I wasn't wanted. Just my opinion.
 

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This is from an old fuddy duddy. Life is short, you can’t imagine how short. There is not enough time to let things you cannot change bother you. You can’t change the past. Take my advice and don’t look back. It’s a new day, make the most of it.
 

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Hank said: *That's what it's all about. Different people, different views, each one able to express their views and opinions without fear of reprimand or reprisal or fear of crushing a sensitive ego. I am not advocating chaos or anarchy as some have mentioned but the true, honest expression of thoughts and ideals -the real part of humanity.

Different people, different views, one bike. And what a bike it is. C'nest pas?*
Well said Hank ..
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ok..that's enough...before we boot ya outta here

hehehehe :mrgreen: <--sh*t eatin grin
 

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JohnnyB986 said:
Your wife has a fat a$$! Is it within my rights of free speech? Sure. Would it piss you off? Probably. Should I say it? Definitely not, whether that is the way I feel or not. If your main objective for this site is to be able to say whatever you want whenever you want, it is a loss. There are lots of more productive things to be had from this site than that. I know nothing of anyones situation with VOL, but personally I never thought it was a bad or opressive place to hang out. And if I did, I wouldn't be complaining because I wasn't wanted. Just my opinion.
Feel free to comment on the size of MY wife's ass, I think the more people who tell her about her growing posterior might inspire her to get that booty to the gym :D
 

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billy barty said:
Having witnessed both insidious devices drive the VOL into fairly certain ruination, I was curious as to the official stance of this website on these issues.
Are you referring to the alias "Rick James" over on the VOL? He was nothing but flame-bait, intentionally inciting anger by pissing all over Volusias on a Volusia board. Hmmm, come to think of it, that's kinda what YOU are doing on THIS board, in the 'party' thread.....

Billy, Rick, Jeff........take your pick, morons are morons.....

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