I never joined the Victory camp. They could have been the best motorcycles on the planet, curing both ED and baldness and I still wouldn't have bought one. I rode an example of every generation and always found they were lacking... Mostly, I couldn't get past the styling. Too avant garde for me, though I understand the desire to market something DIFFERENT than a Harley. I think the Indian is hands down the better bike, love the styling and I WILL own one, at some point in the near future.