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Lisa, I applaud you for acknowledging that this is a problem for you, and for taking direct and intelligent action to solve it.

If it makes you feel any better, I went thru a period when I was having trouble with curves -- right-hand curves, to be specific. Started scaring h*ll out of myself, thinking I was gonna go down.

My epiphany was realizing that I was not taking the curves under power. I was slowing down thru those curves, when instead I needed to slow down BEFORE them, so I could accelerate thru the apex.

This problem developed after I'd been riding for several years. Dunno why it cropped up, but I conquered it.

You can, too.

Hang in there; we're pulling for you!

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I am also taking the course with Lisa.. We got rid of her C50 and moved her to the Honda VFR specifically for its ability to corner. It may be the perfect Sport Tour for a small frame person. (notice I did not say woman). I don't quite get the counter steer stuff either. I tend to just use my *** and hips to steer. I am looking forward to both us use being better riders. I figure being a better rider could save our life someday.
VFR is an excellent bike all around. Good choice!
Steering from the hips is not nearly as effective as initiating the turn with your upper body position... especially on a sporty bike. It actually works pretty well on a cruiser, but you will take a turn faster and more confidently when you start into it with your upper body. That, and steering from the hips tends to put the bike sideways underneath you, where steering from the upper body tends to put you off center, leaving the bike more upright and allowing more clearance before you touch a peg down. So, if you come into a corner hot, you will have more room to work with.
One of the best things to practice is to take an easy ride down a twisty road, and practice using your upper half to change the direction of the bike. Intentionally move your shoulder position off center as you enter the turn, while you use some bar input. Once you do this for a while, gradually increase your speed. You will find confidence you never knew you had, and will be a much smoother rider for it. It really worked for me.

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Just did a sport bike safety class and we covered exactly what Steve is talking about...worked great. It was amazing the difference it made.

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Lisa, I am proud of you for posting what most of us won't admit we need help with. What a responsible rider! I would love to sign up with you and ST-Dave for this class.

By the number of replies, you should feel the love and support we're sending your way.

Good on ya and best wishes for a successful exorcism of the demon.

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One more thing to consider...
on a bike like the VFR where there is some forward lean, it's easy to put too much pressure on your wrists and arms. This will make it difficult to corner. Get used to supporting your forward weight with your stomach muscles and gripping the bike with your legs. Try to keep a light touch on the bars... almost like floating on the bars. The bars are for steering, not for leaning on.

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One more thing to consider...
on a bike like the VFR where there is some forward lean, it's easy to put too much pressure on your wrists and arms. This will make it difficult to corner. Get used to supporting your forward weight with your stomach muscles and gripping the bike with your legs. Try to keep a light touch on the bars... almost like floating on the bars. The bars are for steering, not for leaning on.
Thank you for all your input Steve. The VFR has Risers on it, but still has some forward lean. Lisa holds on like shes gonna fall off evidenced by the grip puppies allways pushed off the handle bars. We are getting lots of great tips from more experienced riders She is taking them all to heart and can't wait for the school to start in 8 days. We may make this school an annual event. Hmmmm "TRACK SCHOOL RALLY"

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That is definitely a problem... that tight grip. If it is a standard VFR, it's not too different of a riding position from my Triumph, which has low rise bars. There is still significant weight on your wrists that can affect your steering input. This is something that has made all the difference for me this year. I've found a new level by concentrating on not putting weight on the bars or holding too tightly.
I'm trying to share the things that I know have improved my riding. I won't tell you anything that I'm not sure of or have not proven myself. I am glad to help if I can. I KNOW she can work through this. Part of it is technique, but a big part of it is psychological. I think both problems can be solved by practice of good habits and some controlled riding with an instructor.

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That is definitely a problem... that tight grip. If it is a standard VFR, it's not too different of a riding position from my Triumph, which has low rise bars. There is still significant weight on your wrists that can affect your steering input. This is something that has made all the difference for me this year. I've found a new level by concentrating on not putting weight on the bars or holding too tightly.
I'm trying to share the things that I know have improved my riding. I won't tell you anything that I'm not sure of or have not proven myself. I am glad to help if I can. I KNOW she can work through this. Part of it is technique, but a big part of it is psychological. I think both problems can be solved by practice of good habits and some controlled riding with an instructor.
I suspect you triple is similar to my Sprint 955 and both bikes have risers but the Sprint ST is taller, but then again she is shorter. I agree you definitely need to grip the tank with your legs and have a light grip. (hard to do when your stressed) We gonna get it all sorted out.

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We gonna get it all sorted out.

I absolutely believe you will. She is committed to learning, and to work through the problem, which means you're half way to solving it! The trick is going to be getting her to relax on the bike. That's why that first exercise I was talking about, taken at a slow pace, is a good one. You can do it around an industrial park or neighborhood. Slow is great. Just get out there and work on flowing through the corners at a slow speed. Everything should be slow and smooth. Lean your upper body to initiate the turn with a nice relaxed grip on the bars. Your outside leg will naturally start to push the tank into the lean. You will naturally countersteer. look through the turn and flow with it. Your pace is like you're out for a Sunday cruise, but you are riding like your going 4x the speed at the track.

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...My epiphany was realizing that I was not taking the curves under power. I was slowing down thru those curves, when instead I needed to slow down BEFORE them, so I could accelerate thru the apex...

^THIS!
Setting up for a turn at speed, you will use the brakes and the removal of throttle (engine braking) along with body position to settle the bike into the turn. A little drag on the rear brake can help getting it to fall into the turn. Once you are leaned over, you need to be rolling the throttle and maintaining speed, if not accelerating.
If you are coming in hot, first use the front brake to scrub speed, but be aware that it can tend to stand you up and fight the lean you're trying to put the bike into. I scrub as much speed as I can and then initiate the turn, leaning as much as is necessary (in really bad cases actually getting off the seat to the low side) to get the bike to steer. As soon as you have reached an equilibrium (if it's not decreasing radius) and you are full over, start applying throttle to maintain or increase speed. The bike will hug the corner.
If you feel out of control... trust the bike and look further into the turn. DO NOT look straight ahead or down, unless you want to go there (which you don't, of course). On a VFR or other sporty bike, there is more cornering grip and performance than you will be using unless you are going way too fast (which is not likely to be the case). In any case, SMOOTH input to the brakes, SMOOTH input to the throttle, SMOOTH changes of body position that are reflective of the speed you are going (if you're going faster, you willl have to transition faster, but stay smooth!).

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