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Old 05-25-2011, 01:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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My bike (2007 c50 49k km) is in the shop getting the valves check and the shop just told me the the cam chain adjuster is going and its going to be about $1600. Has anyone had this before and can anyone tell me how hard is it to fix?
Others have said, and I'd agree that tensioners can be a problem at anytime, but such is the exception rather than the rule.

I am a sceptical bast**d and I treat any such opinions from bike shops with a very high degree of cynicism. I'm afraid that many bike repairers are opportunists, looking for "extra work" they can milk from captive customers.

Before I shelled out 1600 hard earned dollars, I'd want a 2nd opinion on the need for this work. I suggest you look among your acquaintances and/or friends, or somebody, to give this 2nd opinion. RR
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I agree with Retro, but my feeling is that the shop mechanic just wants to cover his reputation by looking for a failure in a part thats foreseeable.

Our local metric shop certainly isn't looking for work, the ATV's alone pay for the backroom.

At least the timing chain on the C50 will give you notice that it needs replacing, that alone should give you peace of mind, when it rears its ugly head, you have a little time to decide what to do..

My riding buddy says that his hd warrenty is voided if the timing chain and tensioners are not checked at the precribed interval...if Suzuki was worried about this, why wouldn't she make it manatory to have this checked out, similiar to doing a valve check....

MY Prism has a rubber band engine, book says to replace timing belt at 60k, local mechanic warned me every time I got the car inspected or oil change to change the belt, well I finally gave in at 125k, that oem belt looked as good as new........well maybe a little shiny in the wear corners......but certainly not in need of being replaced........

Again the mechanic was just covering himself......
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Can anyone confirm whether or not this engine is a non-interference engine? Replacing chains and tensioner is one thing... cracking pistons and bending valves is another.
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What kind of warning do you get before the the chains/tensioner lets go.Ive never kept a bike that long.Usually they're gone by 50000km.
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I would be surprised if it wasn't an interference engine, but I guess it's possible. Anyone know for sure?
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I would be surprised if it wasn't an interference engine, but I guess it's possible. Anyone know for sure?
I'm thinking that it's probably not.

I know of someone who made an error when setting up the cam chain, while reassembling a VL800 motor.
Cam timing was off by at least one tooth, and the motor ran, but the idle and low speed performance was erratic.
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I'd ride it until either the chain broke, or when you could hear chain slap (see baxtc1's thread Noisy C50 engine).

It sounds like this is the only part of the machine that consistantly wears out. If $2000 of parts+labor gets you another 50k miles out of the machine, that is $0.04c/mi. Well worth the investment, imho.
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I'm thinking that it's probably not.

I know of someone who made an error when setting up the cam chain, while reassembling a VL800 motor.
Cam timing was off by at least one tooth, and the motor ran, but the idle and low speed performance was erratic.
That's definitely a good thing. The only real damage that could be done in that case is by the chain itself (which could be significant).

I'm sure that the timing chains are linkless, but I wonder if the original chain could be broken, and then a new chain wired to it and pulled through from the top end and a link put onto it? If that could be done and the whole thing retimed, it would save going into the lower end, unless the sprockets are wearing and need replaced.
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No good because you will need to reset the tensioner.
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:57 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Ok, since I just had this pleasure Ill place my 2 cents in:

-The root cause of my failure was the tensioner, specifically the tiny little ratching mechinism failed (it really sucks that a part that is no bigger than a pencil eraser can cause so much drama). The tensioner failed, then the chain broke. Hindsight says there was a sound of the chain slapping around. When the chain broke, it took the cam sproket with it but did not do any further damage which would give me the educated guess of "NON-interfearing" . I chose to keep riding untill it broke because the cost of repair was about the same as the preventive. (except for the sproket).

I chose to do the repair myself even though I had never rebuilt an engine before. It was fairly straight forward and the repair manual is deciently well written. You will have to remove the engine. I put about $700 in parts into it and had to buy a few tools and borrow the rotor removal tool.

Failing tensioners is not a huge problem, but I have talked to many who have had it happen. we will never know quite how many engines die due to this, because many are never repaired, so they are not daignosed.

Bottom line: do what is right for you. If i had it to do again, I woud tear into the engine after hearing the noise but I wouldnt recomend waiting until it breaks, Partly because that cam sproket is expensive, but mostly because it was a real pain flushing all the metal shavings out of the engine without splitting the case.

Good luck

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