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472viper · 12-04-2012, 05:49 PM

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... based on the government testing of existing vehicles under the Bush Administration

I wasn't completely sure, but had a sneaking suspicion that, somehow, this was Bush's fault.

Thank you.

Loudpipe_m50 · 12-04-2012, 08:43 PM

Who cares if they make e-15. That doesn't mean you have to put it in your vehicle. From what i read before, it is supposed to have its own nozzle and not to be shared with the e-10. It is also supposed to have a warning on it stating it is only for certain newer vehicles. Hopefully it won't take off because it is a waste of land to grow corn for ethonal.

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Two Red Ryders · 12-04-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Loudpipe_m50

Who cares if they make e-15. That doesn't mean you have to put it in your vehicle. From what i read before, it is supposed to have its own nozzle and not to be shared with the e-10. It is also supposed to have a warning on it stating it is only for certain newer vehicles. Hopefully it won't take off because it is a waste of land to grow corn for ethonal.

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I agree corn in the USA and Sugar Cane in tropical countries are the current ways to produce ethanol but these are both food products. There are several other ways of making ethanol under development in USA which don't use food.

Cellulosic biomass
Switchgrass
Algae

The Future of Ethanol, Alternative Crop Sources

Two Red Ryders · 12-04-2012, 09:53 PM

The production of ethanol from cellulose may not be an easy thing.

In his State of the Union Address on January 23, 2007, President Bush announced a proposed mandate for 35 billion US gallons of ethanol by 2017. Requiring about 20 billion US gallons per year of non corn ethanol by 2017. In March 2007, the US government awarded $385 million in grants aimed at jump-starting ethanol production from nontraditional sources like wood chips, switchgrass and citrus peels.

The American company Range Fuels of Georgia was to build the first commercial-scale 100-million-US-gallon per-year cellulose ethanol plant. The Range Fuels plant was built in Soperton, GA, but was shut down in January 2011 without ever having produced any ethanol. It had received a $160 million in federal funds.

Eventually one of those new ways of making ethanol may turn out to be an economic success.

And with our vast land resources and agricultural knowledge the right crops the production of ethanol may become a real money maker, particularly when the worlds energy oil needs exceeds world wide production of oil as predicted by the current high price of oil.

Its not over yet, Several Research projects are still underway some with 40% government seed funding and 60% free enterprise capital funding.

Thunderhoof · 12-05-2012, 11:48 AM

Two Red Ryders · 12-05-2012, 12:17 PM

Currently 90% of USA gas products contain some Ethanol E10 10% Alcohol. If Bush's mandate of 35 billion US gallons of ethanol by 2017 would involve producing 20 billion more gallons of Ethanol. And with Obama's mandate to double the MPG of new cars. We will have an ethanol surplus. USA usage of gas may well be less with better MPG cars and one way to use Bush's extra ethanol is to increase the blending of ethanol to E15. Another way is to increase the use of ethanol is by providing ethanol fueling stations were the purchaser can adjust the amount of Ethanol for use in their vehicles. Obama has an initiative to provide rural ethanol flexible level fueling stations which would make higher ethanol levels from E10 to E85 available for those in rural areas who want to use higher levels of ethanol or have flex fuel vehicles.

Two Red Ryders · 12-05-2012, 04:34 PM

Ethanol may be good for our country's energy independence with bipartisan government support but not everyone cares.

If the Obama's rural adjustable ethanol level pumps allow for E00, E10, E15, E30 or E85 it might make everyone happy.

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As nothing is ideal the pumps might charge more for gas with lower amounts of ethanol.

With the potential of a luxury tax on gas without ethanol E00 in support of the governments goal of energy independence. But currently even without a luxury tax, 472Viper Post #5 "I do pay a premium price" for no ethanol gas at local BP Stations in So. Dakota. "

472viper · 12-05-2012, 08:39 PM

What do you think about higher ethanol content burning hotter ?

My dealer tells me that the number one reason for not using ethanol in a motorcycle is because the bike will run hotter (leaner).

Mine is air cooled.

RemingtonNY · 12-05-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Counter Steer

Here is an E10/E15 update from the Marine side of the business.

From "Trade Only", an email newsletter as reported by the NMMA.

"AAA has come out against the use of E15 at gas stations. “With little consumer knowledge about E15 and less than 5 percent of cars on the road approved by automakers to use that fuel, AAA is urging regulators and the industry to stop the sale of E15 until motorists are better protected,” the federation of motor clubs said in a statement issued Friday.

“In smaller quantities, ethanol is really good. It’s an oxygenator,” Currie told Trade Only. “The NMMA is not anti-ethanol. We can live with it in lower levels. It’s just when they increase it above 10 percent that it hurts engines.”

“Alcohol burns hotter than gasoline and causes engine damage,” he added. “It’s all a matter of heat.”

Whenever a person uses a gasoline pump, about half to three-quarters of a gallon is left in the hose, Currie said. So the EPA said it would mandate that a minimum of 4 gallons be dispensed at a time to dilute the concentration of fuel left behind.

“If you’re filling up a little tank to fill your (think motorcycle or ATV) lawnmower or weed whacker, what do you do? Do you pour the rest on the ground? They don’t say,” Currie said.

Ethanol has fewer Btu per gallon than gasoline, so the more ethanol the worse the gas mileage, Currie said."
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My comment: The new regulations will be made by legislators on behalf of their largest campaign contributors unless there is a united National industry (marine, auto, motorcycle, ATV, chain saw, etc)response that counters the corporate, agricultural, and Wall Street lobbying efforts and money. This issue is about giving money back to donors and not what is best for the environment. Follow the money.

Look at the bright side, it may force Suzuki to put a 5 or 6 gallon tank on the C50!

maybe thats why they put a 5 gal tank on the new C90, doubt it though

Two Red Ryders · 12-05-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 472viper

What do you think about higher ethanol content burning hotter ?

My dealer tells me that the number one reason for not using ethanol in a motorcycle is because the bike will run hotter (leaner).

Mine is air cooled.

My hope is the Ethanol adjustable mixtures Dispensers Gas Pumps will in fact include one setting that is really low in alcohol I suspect we will have to have a little alcohol as it is now the what the industry basically uses instead of lead to raise octane.

We may not get E00, E05, but the current E10 will hopefully be an option at many gas stations at least until they have enough research with air cooled motorcycles. If Harley Davidson does the research most motorcyclist would believe them. Currently the feds have exempted Motorcycles from consideration for E15 but that doesn't mean E10 will be readily available.

It might be all those Harley Dealers will have to add E00 or E05 to go along with the HD leather collection If research shows it is actually needed for all those air cooled motorcycles.

12-04-2012, 09:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
Two Red Ryders Senior VR Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silverdale, WA Posts: 475 Thanks: 11 Thanked 56 Times in 48 Posts	The production of ethanol from cellulose may not be an easy thing. In his State of the Union Address on January 23, 2007, President Bush announced a proposed mandate for 35 billion US gallons of ethanol by 2017. Requiring about 20 billion US gallons per year of non corn ethanol by 2017. In March 2007, the US government awarded $385 million in grants aimed at jump-starting ethanol production from nontraditional sources like wood chips, switchgrass and citrus peels. The American company Range Fuels of Georgia was to build the first commercial-scale 100-million-US-gallon per-year cellulose ethanol plant. The Range Fuels plant was built in Soperton, GA, but was shut down in January 2011 without ever having produced any ethanol. It had received a $160 million in federal funds. Eventually one of those new ways of making ethanol may turn out to be an economic success. And with our vast land resources and agricultural knowledge the right crops the production of ethanol may become a real money maker, particularly when the worlds energy oil needs exceeds world wide production of oil as predicted by the current high price of oil. Its not over yet, Several Research projects are still underway some with 40% government seed funding and 60% free enterprise capital funding. __________________ The United States of America, founded on the principle that "all men are created equal; with unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness Red & Black C50 Last edited by Two Red Ryders; 12-04-2012 at 10:20 PM.

12-05-2012, 12:17 PM	#26 (permalink)
Two Red Ryders Senior VR Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silverdale, WA Posts: 475 Thanks: 11 Thanked 56 Times in 48 Posts	Currently 90% of USA gas products contain some Ethanol E10 10% Alcohol. If Bush's mandate of 35 billion US gallons of ethanol by 2017 would involve producing 20 billion more gallons of Ethanol. And with Obama's mandate to double the MPG of new cars. We will have an ethanol surplus. USA usage of gas may well be less with better MPG cars and one way to use Bush's extra ethanol is to increase the blending of ethanol to E15. Another way is to increase the use of ethanol is by providing ethanol fueling stations were the purchaser can adjust the amount of Ethanol for use in their vehicles. Obama has an initiative to provide rural ethanol flexible level fueling stations which would make higher ethanol levels from E10 to E85 available for those in rural areas who want to use higher levels of ethanol or have flex fuel vehicles. __________________ The United States of America, founded on the principle that "all men are created equal; with unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness Red & Black C50 Last edited by Two Red Ryders; 12-05-2012 at 05:11 PM.

12-05-2012, 04:34 PM	#27 (permalink)
Two Red Ryders Senior VR Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silverdale, WA Posts: 475 Thanks: 11 Thanked 56 Times in 48 Posts	Ethanol may be good for our country's energy independence with bipartisan government support but not everyone cares. If the Obama's rural adjustable ethanol level pumps allow for E00, E10, E15, E30 or E85 it might make everyone happy. \ As nothing is ideal the pumps might charge more for gas with lower amounts of ethanol. With the potential of a luxury tax on gas without ethanol E00 in support of the governments goal of energy independence. But currently even without a luxury tax, 472Viper Post #5 "I do pay a premium price" for no ethanol gas at local BP Stations in So. Dakota. " __________________ The United States of America, founded on the principle that "all men are created equal; with unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness Red & Black C50 Last edited by Two Red Ryders; 12-05-2012 at 05:27 PM.

12-05-2012, 08:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
472viper Senior VR Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: So. Dak. Sioux Falls Posts: 23,737 Thanks: 751 Thanked 1,526 Times in 1,195 Posts	What do you think about higher ethanol content burning hotter ? My dealer tells me that the number one reason for not using ethanol in a motorcycle is because the bike will run hotter (leaner). Mine is air cooled. __________________ 2006 M50/C50/109fender/ SE 50 wheels and HD bags 2007 1600 Kawasaki ClassicSOLD 2008 FLHX Street Glide 105th Anniversary #1387 USAF 1973-1977 SoDak ANG 1977-2010 Run my fingers across the bars of his cage and make the little monkey dance

12-04-2012, 08:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
Loudpipe_m50 VR Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 98 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Who cares if they make e-15. That doesn't mean you have to put it in your vehicle. From what i read before, it is supposed to have its own nozzle and not to be shared with the e-10. It is also supposed to have a warning on it stating it is only for certain newer vehicles. Hopefully it won't take off because it is a waste of land to grow corn for ethonal. Sent from my DROID RAZR

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